Little Yeshua & This Is God – Everlasting Light December 16, 2013 by Lee 12 (Relocated) Share this:EmailTweetMorePocketLike this:Like Loading... Related
Dear you seem to mix two beings with each other. Jeshua or Jesus is not the Creator, He is the son of the Creator, the Elohim Jehovah, Who is the only One God.
I appreciate your remarks, but I have to disagree with you. I quoted John 1:10-14
“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:10-14 KJV)
The beginning of John 1 says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3 KJV)
Sir, I believe that Scripture teaches a Triune God. There are many verses that can be quoted. For now, I’ll let John do this talking. Also, Genesis 1 teaches a Triune God.
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God does not share His divine glory with anyone else! That is why we worship Jesus, Whose full name is the Lord Jesus Christ: He is the Second Person in the Holy Trinity (Whose plural name in the Old Testament is ELOHIM). That is why there is coming a day when every creature’s knee shall bow and every creature’s tongue confess that JESUS is LORD! Jesus is the Christ (1st John 2:22); Christ is God the Son (Psalm 2); therefore, Jesus is God the Son (1st John 4:15). Interestingly, even Genesis 1:1 points the reader to Trinitarian theology — see “Valuing God’s Variety”, for a short explanation of how the Hebrew shows this, posted at http://www.icr.org/article/6939 … in short, the Arian Belgians who commented above are anti-Trinitarian Unitarians who (like Jehovah Witness cultists) deny the Trinitarian truth of 1st John 5:7 and thus also the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20). Notice also how Romans chapter 10 refers to the “Lord Jesus” in a way that identifies Him as the “Lord” Who is named in Joel 2:32, i.e., YHWH (a/k/a Jehovah). For further confirmation of Christ’s deity, see Hebrews chapter 1, John chapter 1, and Colossians chapter 1, as well as Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6-7, and the literal Hebrew of Genesis 4:1. Bottom line: those who deny that Jesus is the divine Lord Jesus Christ will suffer a hellish eternity for their unbelief. God the Son became flesh as JESUS and He is my Kinsman-Redeemer forever! Happy New Year!)
Thank you for a very clear explanation of the Trinity, which I believe in.
Why is there no where written clearly that Jesus is God and does the God, who according the Holy Scriptures does not tell lies, said Jesus was His son, when it was He Himself?
“16 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him; 17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16-17 ASV)
The question is silly, but I’ll reply nonetheless. Look at John 1:1 (“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” in Greek: εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος ), which says the Word (i.e., Christ) “was with God” when it uses the noun “God” with the Greek definite article (ο λογος ην προς τον θεον), i.e., when John is referring to God the Father (Who is 1 of 3 divine Persons within the triune God); yet that same verse immediately afterwards says of “the Word (Who is obviously Jesus, according to John 1:14) “the Word was God” (θεος ην ο λογος ), but in that time John is using the anarthrous [i.e., the noun “God” has no article with it, neither a definite (“the”) nor an indefinite article]. In other words, Christ was in the beginning “with” God the Father, and Christ then “was God” in His divine essence/being. In case you didn’t know, anarthrous Greek nouns stress the essence of the noun, i.e., Christ was in essence GOD from the beginning. Take a look at Hebrews 1:8, in context — it is calling Christ (i.e., God the Son) “God”. If you are serious about believing the Bible you will admit that Hebrews chapter 1 proves that Christ is divine, worthy of the names “God” and “LORD” (i.e., YHWH). Look at Exodus 3:14-15 and then read John chapter 8 — when Jesus said “before Abraham was I AM” Jesus was claiming to be the eternal “I AM”, YHWH, the only God Who exists! And His immediate audience, unlike you, logically understood that Jesus was then claiming to be GOD and that is why they tried to stone Him! Likewise, when Jesus forgave sins (saying “thy sins are forgiven thee”) He was doing what only God has a right to do, because only God has a right to forgive sins! Moreover, even casual acts of Christ demonstrate that He claimed to be God, not just a prophet. The Biblical prophets would qualify their messages from God by saying “thus saith the LORD,,,” — but not Jesus; He would qualify divine declarations by saying “Verily, verily I say unto you . . .” Wow! That is claiming to be the equal of God the Father. : )
Thanks again for another great explanation.
In the examples you gave is written that the Word was God and with God, but nowhere is written Jesus. The Word is the Speaking of God. When a person speaks it are His Words. From the beginning God also promised somebody who bring an end to the penalty of death. The promise (the Word) as such was with God from the beginning.
When somebody phones you or asks you if you are so and so and you say “I am” or the person question if he is the one spoken of answers “I am” does it mean you or him/her is God? In many countries there are lots of people who answer with “I am”, plus there are also lots of people of whom is said he or she has seen Abraham, meaning he is in his/her years of wisdom or passed the 50ise. Do you really think they have literally been alive at the time of Abraham (still being alive today) and seen Abraham?
Still waiting on you to read Hebrews chapter 1. And still you fail to understand the ELOHIM is the 3-in-1 God of 1st John 5:7 and Matthew 28:19, Also, still waiting on your to notice that John 1:1-18 (especially John 1:14) is talking about the Lord Jesus Christ, Whom you don’t know or recognize. Why are you reluctant to call Him “the Lord Jesus Christ”, because He is so named dozens and dozens of times in the New Testament, but you resist putting the name “Jesus” with “the LORD”, although one day you will do so! — see Philippians chapter 2. Furthermore, your trivial remarks about how modern Gentiles use the phrase “I am” are a straw-man folly, because you have failed to account for the obvious Biblical meaning of that phrase (which I directed you to, yet you recklessly or intentionally ignored), namely, Exodus 3:14-15. The Lord Jesus Christ is YHWH incarnate, and that is why we mark history today as “the year of our Lord 2014”. The Lord Jesus Christ, Whom I worship, is the Creator (again, you ignored the proofs of Christ’s deity and Creatorship in Colossians chapter 1 and Hebrews chapter 1), so He saw Abraham when He made Abraham in Abraham’s mother’s womb! The entire book of John’s Gospel, as well as the 1st Epistle of John (JESUS is the living “Word of God”, i.e., JESUS is God incarnate, i.e., JESUS is Emmanuel [“God with us”], i.e., JESUS is the divinely eternal Messiah (Isaiah 9:6-7; Micah 5:2, which is Micah 5:1 in the Hebrew Bible’s numbering system). The #1 theme and message of the Holy Bible is that 3-in-1 God has revealed Himself in and through the Lord Jesus Christ. To stumble on that is to invite the self-destruction that John 3:16 promises — repent of your rebellious unbelief in Jesus before it is too late!
I think our discussion has gone far enough in that both sides have presented their views. This topic is beyond the scope of this “birdwatching” blog.
It is clear that God’s Word clearly shows that the Lord Jesus Christ is God and our Creator. Each person has a choice of whether to believe the Words of God or not.
We believe in creation and that it is also clearly taught in the Scriptures. Again, a person has a choice. Romans 1:16-22 clearly states that we are all without excuse.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(Romans 1:16-22 KJV)
I am closing further comments here.